Tucker Carlson is a conservative political commentator on Fox News who is known to be confrontational when discussing topics such as immigration.
Carlson has been known to be dismissive to anyone who opposes his views. So why would anyone with a difference of opinion go on his nightly show?
Immigrant advocate and author Julissa Arce recently appeared on Carlson’s show and ended up getting into a heated debate. Arce, a former Goldman Sachs executive who used to live in the U.S. without documentation, was invited to the show to discuss a cap on admissions to the University of California schools. We asked Arce why she’d even consider dealing with Carlson’s infamous hostility. Arce told mitú she wanted to “set the record straight with facts that Fox News viewers may never get otherwise.”
During the discussion, Tucker said California’s state school system allowed “illegal aliens” to attend but not American citizens:
“It does seem to me that no matter how conflicted you feel about immigration, you would never be in favor of a state school capping admittance of American citizens, but in effect giving preference to illegal aliens. Why would any sane person be in favor of that?”
What Tucker was actually referencing to is a new rule for the California University System which institutes an 18% cap on out-of-state residents.
Many state universities already implement this sort of law. All it really means is that students that are residents of the state get a preference to attend the school over out-of-state students.
Watch the intense exchange:
Credit: Julissa Arce / YouTube
As you can hear, Tucker not only belittles Arce’s opinion but mocks her as well.
In an interview with mitú, Arce said that she handled herself with composure and dignity.
“I didn’t let his laughs, interruptions and calling me ‘illegal’ deter me from my goal,” said Arce.
Arce reiterated her point over-and-over again, which was that undocumented immigrants are residents of California if they have lived in that state for more than three years. It’s an actual law, not some random idea that undocumented people want to get away with. AB 540, passed in 2001, allows undocumented students and out-of-state students to pay in-state tuition at public colleges and universities in California.
Arce told mitú that if any American citizen from any other state wants to attend a California university and benefit from in-state tuition, all they have to do is “move to California for 3 years or longer, and graduate from a California high school.” This will allow them to establish residency and obtain in-state-tuition. But somewhere Carlson could not comprehend the basic facts.
So how did people react to this debate? It was a mixed bag. Arce sent us a screenshot of one of the many hateful emails she received, like the one below.
However, she did accomplish her goal of changing the minds of some conservatives.
Arce informs us that this was not her first time on his show either, so she knew exactly what to expect from him.
But will she go back? You bet. She said that if she’s invited back to his show, she will return “because we have to preach beyond the choir.”